Divorce Rich with Jacki Roessler, CDFA
Welcome to the Divorce Rich Podcast! Join your host, highly sought-after speaker and experienced Certified Divorce Financial Analyst, Jacki Roessler, CDFA in this engaging and down to earth show. Along with her guests, Jacki offers clear and detailed advice to improve your financial decisions before, during and after divorce so you can survive divorce rich! New episodes are posted every Thursday! You can reach Jacki through her Michigan-based firm, Roessler Divorce Consulting, located at 600 S. Adams, Suite 300, Birmingham, MI 48009 or by email at jacqueline@roesslerdivorce.com.
Divorce Rich with Jacki Roessler, CDFA
Divide and Conquer! Organize Your Life Through Divorce with Lani Moore
Discover the transformative power of organization during life's most challenging transitions with our special guest, professional organizer, Lani Moore. Having made a remarkable shift from the world of supply chain to become a professional organizer, Lani opens up about her personal journey through divorce. She shares how structured organization can provide both a therapeutic outlet and a sense of control amidst chaos. From managing the overwhelming piles of paperwork to gracefully dividing personal property, Lani offers invaluable insights for anyone navigating the turbulent waters of divorce.
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- Book an initial consult with Jacki to learn about getting your post-divorce account transfers (QDROs, IRA Transfers, Brokerage Accounts, etc...) on track. https://calendly.com/roessler-jacki/post-divorce-transition-coaching-consult?month=2025-02
Visit us at https://www.roesslerdivorce.com/ to learn more about Jacki's practice and to find valuable resources for your case.
Welcome to the Divorce Rich Podcast. I'm your host, jackie Ressler. I've been a certified divorce financial analyst for 28 years, helping clients and their attorneys navigate the often complex and confusing financial issues in divorce. If you're in the process of, or considering, divorce, now is the time for you to take a deep breath and give yourself permission to find clarity on the financial issues you're facing. Rich means many things to many people. I believe the best definition of being rich is someone who has access to many resources. Along with my guests on this podcast, I will be bringing you a wide variety of information so that you can make sound and informed financial decisions for your financial future.
Speaker 1:Hi everyone, and welcome back to the Divorce Rich Podcast. Today we're going to be talking about a topic that I know that it impacts so many people going through divorce. It impacted me when I went through my divorce. It impacts all my clients and I'm really lucky to have Lonnie Moore as my guest today. She is a professional organizer. She helps organize for all kinds of clients, but today we're going to talk about the things that she can do to help divorcing clients. So welcome, lonnie.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. I'm super excited.
Speaker 1:Me too.
Speaker 2:So tell me, how did you find that this is something that you're passionate about? Let's see. So I guess the short answer is I got divorced. The long answer is about 19 years ago. I ended up, I would say, retiring from my career, which was in supply chain, to stay home and take care of my kids and basically, through the years of managing their schedules and managing my schedule and just running a household, I learned that I needed to be organized, kind of to calm the chaos. So you know, in college I actually took some design classes. So I've always had a passion for design and, just you know, I like things to look nice and um. So you know, from scheduling and keeping my kids schedules organized to keeping the house organized not to say that my house is spotless, but I like for things to have a place. They might not always get in their place, but um, yeah. So I just learned different strategies through the years of being home with my kids and then fast forward to getting divorced.
Speaker 2:A few years ago I kind of was at a crossroads, trying to decide you know, what am I going to do for work? I really didn't want to go back to my career and you know, talking to my friends, they're all like Lani, you're so organized. You know, in my personal life, you know I organized a lot of women to play tennis and things like that and have done different jobs, and so everybody's like you're so organized, you should do something with tennis and organization. I'm like I want to keep tennis fun. You know, it's my hobby. I don't want it to be work, right? So I kind of just kept thinking and thinking and one day I saw a Facebook post on a local mom's group that I'm on, and some mom was just looking for someone to help clean out her house, more so, her basement and, I think, her garage, and just get things organized. And you know, there were other professionals that responded. I'm like, hey, I'm just a mom, you know I would be happy to help you. It sounds fun, I just kind of have a knack for it. And, um, she's like, okay, cause we had mutual friends and so I went and helped her and she paid me and that she ended up being my first customer, honestly. And then she referred me to somebody else. Um, and yeah, and I'm still helping that particular person, just kind of on a every other week basis, going in and helping her, get stuff organized.
Speaker 2:And then a few months later, you know, I was like, oh, that's well, I was like that's pretty fun. And so then a few months later, I responded to another Facebook post of someone looking to have someone come in and just help her on a weekly basis, just for a couple hours, just over the course of a year. Get her house weekly basis, just for a couple hours, just over the course of a year. Get her house, just get it organized and go through stuff and just implement systems to keep her organized. So I've been working with her too and then I'm like, gosh, this is really fun, it's almost therapeutic for me. When I was going through my divorce, as crazy as it sounds, I would actually sit down and organize a drawer. Yeah, I get that. It helped me clear my mind. And then I'm like, oh, and after about 30 minutes or however long it took me, I would be oh, I did that, you know. Okay, I've accomplished something, you know.
Speaker 2:So, it's therapeutic, I feel like too.
Speaker 1:So I think that when you said that it kind of calms the chaos, that really resonates with me. I think that for well. Personally, I think having an organized space just makes you feel more in control of things and for all of our listeners who are in the process of divorce or have recently been divorced, calming the chaos sounds really good. And if you can find one way to do that that you know to simplify things, like you said, have like a very specific project with a beginning, a middle and an end I can see how what you do for people would be very therapeutic for them and for you. So that makes a lot of sense to me.
Speaker 1:So our listeners again are all stressed out. They're going through a divorce. What are some of the things that a professional organizer can do? What can they do to help people in terms of you know they're in the process of divorce and maybe their house needs to be put on the market for sale and it feels overwhelming. I have several clients right now that are in this place where they can't move forward because they're overwhelmed at the idea of getting their house ready for sale. How can a professional like you help them?
Speaker 2:Well, basically, I would come into the house and I prefer to work side by side with them because, especially if there's stuff that we need to get rid of because it's their stuff, you know, and stuff can have emotional connections. So what I do is I come in and work side by side with them and kind of help them. You know, I'm not going to force them to get rid of stuff, but just kind of help them think about like hey, maybe we have three of these, is there one of them we can part with? You know, but not force them. You know, and a lot of times people feel good about donating stuff to different organizations. But I will come in and we'll go through systematically.
Speaker 2:I know, personally, my house was a disaster during my divorce. I so it needed. I will come in and work side by side with them and just go through it very carefully and thoughtfully and, you know, with no judgment, because you know what everybody I mean. I, like I said, I like things to have a place, but my things aren't always in a place right. So no judgment there either too. So just work through with them and you know I, in doing this, I've learned to get my known. I've gotten to know my clients very well too, so you know it is, you know they're kind of, you know they're talking to me as we're organizing and stuff, because they're really allowing me to come in their home and see their personal, personal items. So, um it, you know it, there has to be a trust there too. So, um, yeah, and I think, right, sometimes it's almost like therapy for both of us, just like you said, you know, so yeah, yeah well, almost like a partner.
Speaker 1:To go through um that with, I think must take a lot of pressure off of people especially. You know you say when you were getting divorced that your house was a mess. I think that a lot of people get into that mode. I mean, there's so much paperwork that comes in, there's so many documents that you get and everything is so overwhelming. And also a lot of clients when they're getting a lot of people when they're getting divorced. Um, and also a lot of clients when they're getting a lot of people when they're getting divorced. They're living in the same house together and they put some of their private things in a place that's private and it may cause some stress in organizing the rest of the house. Um, not to mention just the general stress of living with someone that you're getting divorced from.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and that's a lot of it. You know, I know, personally I didn't want to be at home, so just because of the tension in the house, so it just, you know, yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a, it's a process and I think, you know, a lot of people don't know where to start. So I'm there to help them start and we will kind of start off simple. You know, something as simple as looking around, you know, is there garbage which sounds silly? But you know you might just have extra. You know old mail on the desk or something that we just need to throw it away or recycle it, you know. So we kind of start simple and then you know if there's an area that they definitely want to tackle that you know we could do. You know, in a relatively short time, you know that we can have a sense of accomplishment. That's another tactic I'll use too is let's do something simple so that we can see that we can do this together and you kind of get a working relationship. You know, and each client is different on how we work. Some want to be super involved, some don't want to be as involved, you know, but I think with divorce clients, it's probably something that I would definitely choose to do side by side.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, right, and you've been through it, yeah, yeah, and so you know.
Speaker 1:Also one thing that I find I wish sometimes my worst case scenario. I hope that this client is not listening to this episode, but my worst case scenario was many years ago. A client came in with an actual suitcase filled with paperwork and just a giant suitcase filled with paperwork, and dumped the paperwork, the suitcase, into my office and said there you go, that's all my finances. That's the ultimate nightmare to me. But I mean and again I felt so bad for her because the amount of overwhelm that she felt, you know she at least was able to like gather it all together and put it somewhere and get it to someone that she thought could help her. But I think that even with all of the paperwork that comes in, clients could use some help from someone during the divorce to sit down with them and that's not me, I'm not the right professional for that, I don't want to pay their lawyer for that, but it sounds like you might be to sit down and say you know, let's take a look at all of your paperwork.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely, and I think, from a paperwork standpoint and just the whole correspondence back and forth with lawyers and someone like yourself who is a financial planner for people with divorce, which, to give you a plug, like you were tremendous in my divorce, I appreciate you helped me. But yeah, you know, the first, one of the first things I did just for your listeners, you know, is I created a new Gmail account. I created a new Gmail account just to keep my correspondence between yourself and my lawyer all separate and I didn't want it to get lost in the shuffle of all my other stuff you know, school emails and advertisements and things like that. So I did create a new Gmail account and then, within that Gmail account, I was able to, you know, create folders so that you know, like, if I different, you know, if I got something from my lawyer, I'd put it in there. If there was something relating to the quadro or even invoices, I had a separate file for, a folder for. And then, I guess, for your listeners to the other thing you know, a bit old school in the sense that, like, if I would get a document, like a settlement agreement to review or a settlement piece of paper, I would print it out and mark it up. So, like I said, I'm a bit old school in that sense, but I needed to have it in front of me so that I could look at it and read it instead of just staring at a computer. So I guess I would recommend that to your listeners too. So I guess I would recommend that to your listeners too.
Speaker 2:And then what I did was I got one of those accordion files and file folders, of course, because, you know, stuff does have to be printed out and that's how I would kind of review things personally, and anytime I had an in-person meeting or, you know, was on the phone with, you know, my lawyer, I would pull that file out and that accordion file kind of went with me everywhere along with a notepad and pen and paper and would refer to everything in that folder. And, you know, eventually, you know, you go through and clean it out. But it was tremendous because there is a lot of back and forth with your lawyer, you know, trying to come to agreement, and I would keep notes too as well. I just got it one of the legal pads and just kept notes and I referred back to it quite often. Um, cause there was a lot of information coming at you, a lot of decisions that have to be made and mentally to keep it all straight, you know, to um it can be kind of tough. So those are great suggestions.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, those are amazing suggestions and I think again that it's that idea of like managing the chaos. It's almost like having a second job when you're getting divorced. I don't think people realize that that it takes so much mental effort and, like you said, you've got to make decisions that are going to impact the rest of your life. In this time frame when you are in the middle of a trauma and you're trying to get your children through it and yourself, and it's so wonderful to be able to turn to people that can really help you through whatever makes it easier. But I love those ideas about getting your own separate email address and keeping everything separate for each professional that you talk to. That's pretty brilliant.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. And the other thing I did, too, was I kept a separate on my phone which linked to my Gmail account and my calendar, because I have a calendar happened to be within Google, but I kept a separate to-do list that was literally titled divorce and I put everything on there and it was on my phone and just put dates in there and it would pop the dates automatically into my calendar and would give me notifications.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, I'm pretty tech savvy also, so that's something, too, that I think a lot of people could use help with setting up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, exactly yeah. And you know there are apps. You know if you have an iPad or something, you know where you can take notes digitally too. So those, those can be very helpful too and everything's kind of at your fingertips as well, you know. And another thing too for your listeners you know at some point you have to scan in documents and send to your lawyer, you know. So I just use my notes app because you can go into the notes app and scan documents in there.
Speaker 1:Great, great point. Yes, yeah, yeah. For a lot of people I think that it might even be worthwhile to invest in Some of my clients. I have a lot of gray divorce clients, so their gray divorce is 50 and older, which I totally object to that name because I fall into that category, but a lot of them are not that tech savvy and investing in a small scanner is a great idea, yeah exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2:A lot of printers are a printer and scanner in one, so yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 1:I have to say I I use what's called a remarkable and I love that it's a. It's an, it's like an iPad, but it doesn't have the distractions that an iPad has, because I can't go on the internet and surf. It's just for note-taking and it really keeps me organized because I have a different file folder for every client and then I can upload and download documents from my computer. But I think that note-taking product is amazing but it's pretty expensive.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, yep, I've used one of the Remarkables. They're very nice to use. Yeah, and that's another option as well. So just depending on what your preference is, right.
Speaker 1:Okay. So here's my next question for you. So the divorce is done. We've got people that they've. This is what happens during a mediation and you might remember this when we mediated your case. I can't recall if this happened, but you're mediating all of the really important big issues parenting time, spousal support, property division Nobody wants to at at mediation deal with how to divide up the property inside of your house. So the living room contents, the antique collection, sometimes artwork no one wants to deal with that. It's never dealt with at mediation. It would be a waste of a lot of very expensive professionals to do that. So divorce is done. My clients will usually have a provision in their final decree that says you will divide your personal property on your own and if you can't, then it goes to arbitration. And I know that you mentioned to me before we started taping that you know a lot of people going through divorce that have run into this problem. Is that something that you could as a professional organizer, that you can come in and help them divide their personal property?
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely. You know, I think the ideal situation is to avoid arbitration because that's just going to cost more money for the people getting divorced. So, yes, you know a couple ideas. I know, my ex and I we basically created a spreadsheet and then we kind of compared spreadsheets and said, oh no, I want this, no, I want that. Okay, well, I'll give you the dining room table for the couch, you know, and we kind of did a negotiation but our divorce was fairly amicable compared to other divorces out there and it's not always the case.
Speaker 2:So you know, yes, I can definitely come in as an organizer because, you know, and if, whether you're keeping the house or not keeping the house, there's probably stuff that needs to be gotten rid of too, but I can come in and help, you know, kind of figure out what they don't need. But then also, I will say mediate, but from an organizing standpoint. You know, one suggestion you know that we could do is we could go through your house with just simple post-it notes and, okay, the husband takes the living room, the, the wife takes the family room and they put post-it pink post-it notes and blue post-it notes on what they want, and then we come together in in the family room and we say, okay, who? Okay, both of you guys want the piano. Okay, let's figure this out. And well, what would you be willing to give up for the piano and kind of just do like a bartering system, right, yeah?
Speaker 1:And I think that that is so. It would be so helpful to have a third party there. I mean, yes, an arbitrator is a last case resort. It's expensive. You don't really want someone when you're going through divorce arbitrating and deciding who's going to get your stuff Right. It obviously is better if you can do it, but a lot of people going through divorce are not in the situation that you are in, where it's pretty amicable. And even if they are, it still would be nice to have a third party, a neutral person there with a calm voice like you, that can help them transfer things between each other in a more friendly, kind of a neutral way. So almost as a diffuser, I would think, to any problem.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, you know, and I know there'll be situations too where you know couples don't want to be in the same room together.
Speaker 2:So it could be something where I go in separately with each spouse and then you know, just kind of be the mediator in between or the negotiator in between, so and say, hey, you know, would you be willing to give up this for these, or yeah. So yes, that's definitely something I can help with your listeners, because there is an organizational component to it too. And then eventually somebody is going to have to move out of that house. You know I'm there to help them prep some of that, some of the items you know, when they're moving as well too. And then I also offer services in my organizing business where I can help them unpack and get things. I won't physically move the boxes, but I definitely help my customers unpack and get things organized in their new home and help them make it feel like a home with what they have and work with what they have and stage it and organize it and whatnot. So, yeah, oh, wow, that's fantastic.
Speaker 1:Is there a how? How long do people? Should people expect that the process of reorganizing their new space would take?
Speaker 2:A new space. You know, I think it's. Definitely it depends how much stuff they're bringing to their new home. You know, if they have to buy a lot of stuff, you know that may take time. As far as you know, just unpacking and whatnot, that's something that you know. If they're having help from me, we could get it done in a day or two and, like I said, it just depends on how much stuff they're bringing. You know, I know there are situations where you know whoever's moving out may just hire a truck, have a truck themselves and whatever they can fit in that moving truck, that's what they're taking. You know that kind of happened in my situation. You know my ex ran out of room and so no more stuff was being taken. So yeah, I don't want to deal with it, I'll buy a new washer and dryer, that type of thing. So yeah, I bet the situation is different.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I think too, when you get to the very end stages of that process, you just want to be done. So yeah, yeah exactly. Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:But I do think you know when people are trying to decide to split up the stuff, you know, I know in my own situation we had multiple baking sheets, you know. So okay, let's just split it. And again we were fairly amicable. So it's all specific, you know. And the other thing to consider too is if somebody's brought something and you can probably speak better to this but if somebody's brought something into the marriage, you know, like I had my grandmother's silver so that I got to keep because that was a family heirloom, so yeah, I think that's an important point to bring up to our listeners that if and everything varies by state.
Speaker 1:you and I, lani, are in Southeast Michigan, but we have listeners all over the country and so things are different state by state, but for the most part, in most states, if you have any inherited or gifted property or anything that you brought into the marriage, that's personal property. Usually you're going to get that back as your separate property where there isn't an offset from that, but not always, and so that would be something that I would suggest goes into the final settlement agreement that clients discuss with their attorneys. You don't want to put in who gets the toaster and who gets the Instapot but you do want to put in some of these bigger items.
Speaker 1:I know, when I got divorced, my ex and I we split up our regular dishware so like I had a half a set and he had a half a set, and then he didn't care anything about the fine china or the crystal, and so you know, we were pretty, we are very amicable and I'm very lucky, but I know that for most people that's a real pain. Point is how to divide up their stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, it is. And you know, I think the other thing, too, your listeners should ask themselves, you know, does this really? Is it really that important to me? You know, is the crock pot, for instance, really that important to me? You know, what value is it adding? It's just something to add, or is it just tit for tat? Right, exactly.
Speaker 1:Right, I had one case many, many years ago one of my very first cases that we went to trial over a lamp. In that case, because the husband the wife is in the house. The husband had taken the lamp shade and she hid the base of the lamp. And they were arguing over this to the point that they spent thousands of dollars on legal fees in trial to discuss. It was an antique lamp but still she kept saying where's the shade? And he kept saying, well, I don't know Where's the base. And I mean they could have bought that lamp three times over. But again, I think that highlights a real problem with dividing up personal stuff is that you have to separate your feelings from things, which is really hard for people to do sometimes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is. Yeah, and I think that's where I come into play is to help them really truly think about it, you know, and what value does it really bring to my life? What value is it going to bring to my new life? You know, because really it is. You're starting fresh when you're getting divorced. I mean, you have all the history and stuff, but yeah, it's kind of a new lease on life in a strange way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, chairs, you know I picked them out from North Carolina with their Ottomans, but the thing that I encourage listeners to is think about, you know, hey, those I don't have those chairs and I thought I would replace them. I only replaced one of them, but now I have more open space and I actually enjoy that open space. So, I mean it, your perspective can kind of change. You know, not having that particular item that feels so incredibly important to you at the time, right, it may open up a new door. You know, it created a new play space for my daughter, or it just made the room feel more open. So that's something to think about too, and that's, you know, when I'm walking through a house with clients, that would be something to you know, just have them think about it, which you know in the moment and the heat of stuff and you know you've got so much coming at you that you're not thinking about it's hard to think about the future and what that looks like, because it's just so.
Speaker 2:It can be very overwhelming going through a divorce and so yeah, but having been through it, I know that on the other end of it, you know there is there is happiness.
Speaker 2:I know that on the other end of it, you know there is happiness. And I told one of my girlfriends recently she's going through a divorce and I said I know you can't see it now, but in a year from now, when you look back and look at where you're at, you're going to feel a lot better. And because right now is a very, very stressful time, but you're gonna look back a year from now, for instance, and be like, wow, I made it through that and look what I accomplished in this year's time span and hopefully you'll feel a sense of you have a weight lifted off your shoulders. So it's hard to understand that when you're going through a divorce it is, there's a lot, there's so much stress and if there's kids involved, that's a whole. You know that's even more stressful, just trying to make sure that they're well taken care of and feel loved, and all that good stuff.
Speaker 1:So yeah, Yep, I agree, that is the best part of working with divorce and clients actually, and so I haven't seen you in a long time and I'm looking at your face. Our audience obviously can't see you because we're on audio, but you look fantastic. You look so much lighter in your expression. You're obviously kind of glowing with that happiness that you didn't have before. So that's the best part is knowing that there is another side. But you're right, it's so hard, and if you can sit with a client and make them feel better about giving up that chair, that's so special to them. I think that that is just such a tremendous service that you're providing to people. So is there anything else that we haven't talked about that you wanted to cover?
Speaker 2:You know one thing, piece of advice I believe you gave me was you said, after my divorce was final, to go through and read my settlement and kind of make sure I took out all the action items and I did that and that was a tremendous tip for me, me. So I put those action items or like just those reminders, or yearly action items you know like don't forget to.
Speaker 2:You know, get certain documents every year from my ex whatever it may have been, like a W-2 or something like that. That was tremendous because I just have a reminder on my phone that reminds me to do that, so I think that was a great piece of advice was to go through the settlement agreement, pull out the action items and the important dates and stick it on my calendar. So that was one thing that I would like to cover. Let's see what else is there. It's important.
Speaker 1:I think so. When my clients are done, I always give them like a consult. Where we go through these are the next things that you have to do and I think it's so overwhelming. I can tell even in that meeting that sometimes people can't focus on all the things. So going through the settlement agreement more than one time it's unpleasant. Everyone wants to shove it into a drawer when it's done and think about it. But taking it out, rereading it, making sure that all of those date sensitive things whether child support is going to stop at this date or adjust, or all of those things just get them down on paper for me it's paper. For other people maybe it's more technically advanced I like paper.
Speaker 1:I like paper and spreadsheets, but um, yeah, you know, just to get that information out there so that you remember it's a gift to your future self to do that yes, yep, exactly, just make sure it's documented somewhere so you don't lose track of those things.
Speaker 2:So, um, yeah, and I think the other thing too is you know, um, you know, in divorce, you know one spouse may get the house and one one spouse may have to find a new home. Um and it, you know, if you're the spouse keeping the home and there were children. I just encourage your listeners, you know I personally chose to you know, it's the house my children grew up in and to them it's it's home. So I chose to keep the house basically like it is. You know, I did take down some pictures, you know, and replaced it with different memory pictures, replaced the pictures with different memories, and, you know, I kept this space basically the way they know it.
Speaker 2:However, I did repurpose my bedroom. I just did something simple like paint the wall and got some new bedding and new pillows, and because that was my personal space and I wanted it to feel like mine, so I think that was something that was top of my list to do shortly after my ex moved out, because I just needed a new, I just needed something fresh and something that was just for me, and so I would encourage listeners to do that, you know, and it doesn't have to be expensive, you know. It could be even something as simple as taking a fun chair from another room and putting a fun pillow on it, just to make it your space. But I think it's very helpful to do, just so you can kind of create, you know, something new for yourself going forward.
Speaker 2:And then you know, if you're the spouse that's moving, you know, purchasing a new house or having to get a new place and there are children involved I would definitely encourage your listeners to, you know, involve the children so you know, because they're going through a lot and to try to make it fun. You know, maybe they pick out something fun for their new bedroom or pick out the wall color or they choose how they want to rearrange it. But I think, you know, trying to keep it fun in the new, in amongst all the change and in a new space for them is something that I know my kids benefited from. My ex seemed to make it fun for them because he moved out of the house, so I think that it's really important to do that so yeah, those are the only other things I can start.
Speaker 1:Great tips. I love those and I love that idea of prioritizing yourself. Even if you're staying in the house and a lot of people do stay in the house for the children, to give yourself that your own special private space, make it feel new and fresh for you. I love that and I love the shout out that you gave to your ex that he made it, that he made it fun. So, yeah, no, those are. Those are all great tips.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. At the end of the day, it affected my kids, so that's what was important to me. So yes, of course.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you so much, Lonnie, for being here. You gave such great information. I know I'm going to be giving your name out, because this is such a valuable service that you provide.
Speaker 2:Yes, definitely, and I will give you my website. It's theorganizedlifecocom, so you can find me there and just put in a request for more information and I will contact you. So yes, thank you so much for having me. That's great.
Speaker 1:And we will have all of your contact information will also be in the show notes for this episode. So thank you for including that, and then we'll have that there for people that are listening, maybe in their car, and want to go back and write that down. So thank you so much, lani.
Speaker 2:Excellent, thank you.
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